This week Amanda Silberling comes on to talk about the rumor that porn may be coming back to Tumblr (spoiler alert: it’s not) and Devin Coldewey discusses if NASA’s DART spacecraft could really save us from a planet-threatening asteroid. And as always, Darrell will catch you up on the tech news you may have missed this week.
This week Amanda Silberling comes on to talk about the rumor that porn may be coming back to Tumblr (spoiler alert: it’s not) and Devin Coldewey discusses if NASA’s DART spacecraft could really save us from a planet-threatening asteroid. And as always, Darrell will catch you up on the tech news you may have missed this week.
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Darrell Etherington 0:00
Hi, I'm TechCrunch Managing Editor Darrell Etherington, and you're listening to the TechCrunch podcast where we cover everything you need to know about the week's top stories in tech from the people who wrote them. This week, Amanda silverlink comes on to talk about the rumor that porn may be coming back to Tumblr spoiler it's not. And Devin Coldewey and I discussed if NASA's dark spacecraft could really save us from a planet threatening asteroid. Before we get into all that, here's what else is going on in tech news this week. Police this week arrested a 17 year old suspected of being involved in high profile breaches at both Uber and Rockstar this month. The team's identity hasn't been released since he's a minor but it's believed that it's also tied to arrest from earlier this year in London have teens and young adults associated with the lapsus hacking group read more from Carly Paige on TC. In other international crime news, Interpol has issued a red notice for TerraForm labs founder doe Quan. The notice asked that all law enforcement agencies worldwide search for and arrest Quan if found Tara forms Tara USD Stable coin collapsed earlier this year effectively wiping out the $40 billion investors had poured into it. cryptically quants verified Twitter account has since said he's making zero effort to hide in wake of the red notice more on TC again from Carly page. Google held an event this week detailing updates to various products across Search and Maps maps gets new immersive view features for getting a better sense of what the city looks like from both the air and the ground. It also has a new interactive live search overlay feature that uses your camera to highlight points of interest. Plus, there's an eco friendly routing option that's being made available to devs to integrate into their apps. More on this on TC from Asia Malik a new app released earlier this week that promises users an ad and distraction free Instagram feed has already been removed from the App Store. The OG app offered a chronological Instagram home feed minus both ads and suggested posts and it offered users the ability to create custom feeds to follow. It was definitely skirting some of the rules of use of Instagrams Android API. So it's not surprising to see a shutdown. But really, it also just made Instagram good again, Apple pulled it for violating its rule on mirroring existing services, but it seems more likely that Facebook gave them a nudge. More on this from Yvonne Mehta on TechCrunch. First up, Amanda silverlink is here to tell us if Tumblr will in fact be freeing the female presenting nipple. Hi, Amanda, how's it going? Hello, it
Amanda Silberling 2:31
is going well, how are you?
Darrell Etherington 2:33
Very good. Better now that I'm talking to you? Of course always great to have you on the show. Yeah, what
Amanda Silberling 2:38
an honor.
Darrell Etherington 2:39
Yeah, that's right. So we've got a story about Tumblr and Tumblr, it looked like maybe was going back to a business that I think once proved very popular for the tumble logs.
Amanda Silberling 2:52
Yeah. So for some background, Tumblr used to allow people to post porn, and then they were not good at detecting child porn and banning that because nobody needs that on the internet. But then the App Store was like, hey, this app has child porn and removed it in 2018. And then a couple months later that resulted in Tumblr just banning porn altogether, because they weren't able to effectively regulate the difference between people posting porn versus people exploiting children in a really horrible way. Yeah, so it's the constant issue of the internet of how do you make an internet where sex workers can do their jobs, but also children can not be abused? So after Tumblr banned porn, their traffic went down 30% And it's basically just stagnated and stayed there for the past four years now.
Darrell Etherington 3:53
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot there. It's a it has a storied history, Tumblr, like, it's been around now for 15 years, I think. And then it's also we owned well, not we we are owner once owned Tumblr, I should say. And during that time, when it banned pornography, it was owned by oath, which I don't like that's another whole sordid history of like, when was Yahoo oath? And then when did it stop being that and become something else? But suffice it to say,
Amanda Silberling 4:24
as someone who works for Yahoo, I was looking at this yesterday, and I was like, when did Yahoo become Verizon become? Oh, yeah, become whatever. But I think Yahoo initially bought Tumblr for about a billion dollars. And then it was eventually sold to automatic the company that operates wordpress.com for like, a couple million, I think,
Darrell Etherington 4:47
yeah, basically a song compared to the purchase price for sure. And yeah, I don't know that the fact that it was such a popular destination for pornography was, I think, extremely problematic. To the original owners, but then it's also like, did you do zero due diligence? Like did you not know that this was a third of why it was popular and then also responsible for probably most of its growth, too, right? Because as you pointed out, maybe stagnated? Well,
Amanda Silberling 5:12
as we've learned from our friend, Elon Musk, apparently people agree to put billions of dollars into a company and don't do a lot of due diligence. That's true.
Darrell Etherington 5:22
Yeah, yeah, they could put the money into us. That would have been nice if they had just thrown it our way instead. But
Amanda Silberling 5:28
yeah, TechCrunch doesn't have porn. So you know, yeah. Sometimes we just have writing about porn.
Darrell Etherington 5:36
Yeah, but that was I remember, at the time, it was kind of like, I think someone even call it like the porn pocalypse or something like it was a decision that was obviously for good reason. And in the way that they'd like Tumblr came up in an era of the Internet, when I think people were a lot more naive about its uses. It was kind of at the tail end of that. But, you know, the original, like, the internet has so many sort of things in it that now you're like, what they designed it, they designed it basically on goodwill, a lot of the underlying things, right. And Tumblr was still kind of like, of that era, or there was an inclination, there was a general optimism. And in some ways, it was beautiful that way, right? Because it was like, oh, people were just like, sharing things and being weird. And it was super fun. But on the other side, people were using it for malicious things, because obviously, they're going to if you give them a way to exploit, right,
Amanda Silberling 6:23
yeah, I mean, I think any social platform is used in a lot of different ways. Were growing up. I was like, super deep into Tumblr fandom, like I was just out here posting like watching Arctic Monkeys live streams and like live updating the setlist that they played on setlist.fm. Like, I like doing that kind of stuff. But then people always are going to use the internet for porn. Like that's just the first rule of the internet. And Tumblr didn't have very good content moderation. I mean, Tumblr was founded by like a teenager.
Darrell Etherington 6:56
Exactly. Yeah, that's right. So David Karp, right is there's a guy, Tumblr, I
Amanda Silberling 7:00
saw him walking down the street in Williamsburg a couple of weeks ago. Which is a very normal thing for people that live in Williamsburg. Apparently,
Darrell Etherington 7:10
he's a feature of Williamsburg now. That's all he does.
Amanda Silberling 7:14
He's just getting coffee live in his life. He's doing great.
Darrell Etherington 7:17
But yes, it was kind of like, I think most of those communities a big sort of like destination point for the migration of a lot of the pornographic stuff was read it right and read it has kind of supplanted in some ways for that use. But it's something that obviously people still kind of get excited about the idea that it could come back, it comes up periodically, it came up when automatic purchased it. Some people were like now that is not owned by Ultra stodgy corporate entity Verizon like that means the porns come back, it's gonna be great, which didn't happen. So there was a kind of what's happening now happened then. And now this week, people got really excited about this, too, or people just started sharing it quite
Amanda Silberling 7:58
a bit, right? Yeah. So on, I want to say like Monday night, I saw people posting on Twitter, like porn is back on Tumblr. And I was like, that doesn't make sense. Why would they do that? And what turns out, what happened is that Tumblr announced a feature called Community labels, which is essentially just like, let's say that you're posting something about, like dealing with drug addiction or whatever, like, you could tag that with a label for content about drug addiction. Or if you post something that is maybe like a little violent, but still, within the content guidelines, you could label that. And then of course, like, just because porn is banned on Tumblr doesn't mean that there is no sexual content whatsoever. There are kinds of sexual content that are not porn that are often allowed on sites like this. So that could be tagged as sexual content, or labeled not tagged. And then Individual users can say like, I want to bar all violent content from my dashboard, or you can say I want the option to see it, but I want to maybe be able to like click to view and then reveal the image and then yeah, yeah, I mean, that's like a pretty non controversial feature. It is likely because ongoing appstore drama which Matt Mullenweg, the CEO of automatic, which owns Tumblr posted that and also there is now a legislation that is passing in California that they want to make it so that you need age verification on the internet to prevent children from seeing content they shouldn't see which that has a lot of implications that are for another podcast episode. But there are reasons why Tumblr is trying to get its community to label posts with sensitive content, and then where we get the porn rumor is that a rogue Tumblr staff member reblogged the announcement about this feature on tumblr and said quote, okay, Didn't everyone want for Female presenting nipples back on Tumblr. Here you are. This is it. Which female presenting nipples is a Tumblr in joke which goes back to when they initially banned porn and rewrote their community guidelines. And one of the rules is that you cannot post genitals or quotes female presenting nipples. So then I was talking about this to Alex yesterday and he was like, But wait, what if you photoshopped a quote unquote male presenting nipple onto a quote unquote, female presenting nipples? And I was like, Alex, no, we've already done all this discourse like four years ago. Yeah, we've we've discussed this today. And basically, the joke is like, is there really a difference? Like, how do you tell what is female presenting even mean, in the context of like, a body part? But yeah, so then everybody freaked out, because essentially, a Tumblr staff member was like, the female presenting nipples are back. And then somebody reblogged that and was like, so you're saying that we can post erotic fan art? And he was like, Yeah, but turns out, he was just kind of saying things that were not accurate about his company. Right?
Darrell Etherington 11:04
And or lack nuance, at least right? I
Amanda Silberling 11:07
think Yeah. Yeah. And like the person who posted this, it turns out, like, did not work on this feature, and then later posted, like, yeah, I shouldn't have said anything. I don't know what I was doing.
Darrell Etherington 11:20
Right. I mean, it's very Tumblr, right? Like, it's very, like, that's kind of what was great about the community is that things could get carried away and like republished, and then the community, it lives with the community, right? It's not really the thing of the author anymore. But
Amanda Silberling 11:35
yeah, it's like, if you tweet something, and then you delete it, then it's deleted. Yeah. But if you post something on Tumblr, and it gets reblogged, then when you delete your post, the reblog remains on whoever reblogged it they still have that. So it makes it a lot easier for misinformation to spread. And in this case, it was misinformation about Tumblr, the platform literally, which is kind of ironic.
Darrell Etherington 12:00
Yeah, no, it's ironic, but it's also like, extremely appropriate. It's like, yes,
Amanda Silberling 12:04
yeah, I think you have commentary. The Tumblr community is so fascinating to write about, because it just feels like there's such an unpredictable community to manage. Like, I've written a lot about attempts to monetize Tumblr, because Tumblr needs to make money like any other platform. And there was a ton of controversy when they rolled out a subscription products, kind of like Patreon, but on Tumblr, because people were like, No, we don't want to put money on Tumblr. This is where we just kind of like mess around. But then what has been working is Tumblr Blaze, which is a feature that they did release on for 20. Yeah, and it's essentially just you can boost a post, like the way you'd boost a post on Facebook by like paying money to get more people to see it. And now people on Tumblr use that all the time to boost like intentionally horrible fanfiction or just like very cursed memes. And it's very funny to me that they don't want to monetize, but they want to pay to get people to see bad content.
Darrell Etherington 13:07
Yeah, it's like you cannot do I don't think you can apply straight for nothing will work. Nothing is received in the Spirit. It was intended on Tumblr, Tumblr has a wonderful way of like twisting whatever comes in its direction and any attempts to kind of like dress it up in a suit and make it you know, something like legitimate I guess in business terms. But
Amanda Silberling 13:27
yeah, yeah,
Darrell Etherington 13:28
we spoke to Matt Mullenweg recently on the found podcast, porn did not come up I thought it might have in passing just as like, because he kind of has continually had to feel like when does porn come back, man. He took over and it's funny that the blaze thing because I know that he does partake of the devil's what does it what sort of euphemism for? Bills? Cabbage. Yes, devil's lettuce. Thanks, Maggie, our producer. That's that's what it is. But like, yeah, he he likes that. So that was definitely probably joking. But I've noticed you in his statement on the story, you pointed out like a part was emphasized about like, perhaps this allows us to explore more in terms of like, what kinds of art can be shared on the platform? Right? How did he put it? Can you remind me?
Amanda Silberling 14:15
Yeah, he wrote on his own Tumblr, and he bolded this part of the statement, I'm very excited that a fuller range of artists will be able to appropriately tag and protect their art and work right. And that's very vague, and that kind of implies maybe Tumblr will loosen its guidelines. And then he did later say that he wants for the Tumblr guidelines to be more closely in line with the guidelines for wordpress.com which is indeed a different thing than wordpress.org which is always very confusing to me. So of course the natural next step is what what's wordpress dot coms content guidelines and they also do not allow pornography, but they are generally okay with nudity. So this means perhaps because there is justice for the quote unquote, female presenting nipple after all,
Darrell Etherington 15:04
yes. I mean, at the very least, I think that the female presenting nipples should be made free here. But like, in general, it seems. Stephen was very weird, but I guess he will keep in. But I think that in general, like there's a lot more to discuss around, you know, what is art and, you know, sex work and what is appropriate for allowing, you know, legitimate sex workers who make their living that way and choose to make their living that way to work on these platforms, right. So and I bet that Matt would be open to having those discussions into pushing it as much as the business can while staying fair of things that are essential to their kind of continued survival and growth like the App Store.
Amanda Silberling 15:44
Well, maybe disrupt 2023 we interrogate Matt Mullenweg about the female presenting nipples.
Darrell Etherington 15:50
Yeah, it's been a while. So you know, it'd be nice to have him back. But speaking of do we have this disrupt coming up October 18, to 20th, and you are having a conversation on our stage there with only fans, CEO, a McGann and also only fans, chief strategy and operations officer Keely Blair, I believe, right?
Amanda Silberling 16:11
Yeah, I think that'll be really exciting, because I think something that I think a lot about in my reporting is, how do you solve the problem of allowing sex workers to make money on the internet? Because my personal feeling is that sex work is always going to exist. So making it safe for people to do that is just yeah, like, safety is great. Why not make it safer. But sometimes, when sex work gets banned from platforms altogether, like only fans almost did last year, then that just means that there's more precarity for their work? Yeah, maybe they're more likely to do like IRL sex work, which might be more dangerous than online stuff, just because of the nature of like meeting strangers in person. So I'm excited to talk with them about kind of since they both were appointed after the whole we're gonna take sex workers off the platform. Just kidding. No, we're not situation. So I think it's interesting to to think about like, even though only fans now keeps pushing, it's safe for work content and attempt to not just be known for porn, but also the porn is what's making only fans such a crazy profitable business right now. So it's really interesting.
Darrell Etherington 17:26
Yeah, it is for sure. And it's an interesting parallels drawn between it and Tumblr, because in a lot of ways, Tumblr was almost proto only fans when it came to especially like user generated content, right? Like, a lot of the rails weren't there for like how you do payments and things like that. But otherwise, a lot of people didn't get their start there who are creators, like adult creators? Right?
Amanda Silberling 17:47
Yeah, I mean, even though Tumblr, especially in the porn era, when there was literally no way to monetize on the platform, but now Tumblr still is kind of not great at monetization, but like, that's kind of how people build their following. And then you can translate that following into getting people to buy your stuff, wherever that might live.
Darrell Etherington 18:05
Yeah, so very much looking forward to that, Amanda. Yeah, that's happening again, October 18. Through 20th. In San Francisco, you can still get tickets, either online or in person. But I'm excited. And I'm excited to see you there too. Amanda. It's gonna be great. Next up, I talked with Devin Coldewey, about the Dart spacecraft that was built to save us from Planet busting asteroids. Hey, Devin, how's it going?
Unknown Speaker 18:31
Hey, not too bad. Great. Well, this
Darrell Etherington 18:33
week, exciting one in Space News, NASA completed. Well, they still got to do more. But they took a key step in their dark mission, which is another one of those great backronym is probably where they were like we want to it's used. It's actually Oh, it's a real?
Devin Coldewey 18:49
It's a good acronym. It's the dual asteroid redirection test. So maybe it is a bit of an app acronym. But yeah, and I would say they did complete it because the spacecraft has been just completely annihilated. Right? So there's nothing they can do anymore. They can just watch. But yeah, it's definitely it's the mission is complete, or the Dart spacecraft for sure.
Darrell Etherington 19:08
And now they just need to see if it work basically, or works meaning fit their intended parameters of what they wanted to happen, which was they want the asteroid to change course. Effectively.
Devin Coldewey 19:20
Yeah, basically. Yeah. I mean, they totally it's a huge success already in that they basically shot up, you know, space bullet at an asteroid, you know, and I think it was, I don't know what the distance is. It's all complicated because everything's moving around the solar system. But ultimately, it's like 10 10 million miles away, or 14 million miles away or something and just nailed it and got perfect pictures right up until like two feet above the asteroid surface. You can see them when the live images were coming in. And they're like, is this the last one is this the last one and they got one last incomplete image that was like literally, it was sending an image as it exploded on the surface of this giant asteroid? Yeah, that was pretty neat.
Darrell Etherington 19:57
If you see it, it's like I think they I Don't know what the system did it or whatever, but like added in a color, so it's like just part neon green squares and then part of what looks like pictures of the surface of the asteroid.
Devin Coldewey 20:08
Yeah, it's like corrupted data or whatever. But yeah, so that's like a big first because they're just like, look, we regardless of how much it actually nudged this asteroid, we have proven that we can smack an asteroid 10 million miles away with a spacecraft within you know, it was in space for in transit, I should say, for 10 months, so and that's well within the sort of period when we would notice a giant planet killer asteroid coming our way. So it's a big success in that sense already. Yeah,
Darrell Etherington 20:38
for sure. When did this launch because it's been on its trip for a little while now. Right? Yeah.
Devin Coldewey 20:43
10 months ago. Let's see it launched last November. Right? November 23. It was like a Thanksgiving treat?
Darrell Etherington 20:49
Oh, yes. And it was using a SpaceX rocket. Is that right was a falcon nine, I think? I believe
Devin Coldewey 20:53
so. Yeah. Looking at the image here. Yeah. I think it was a flop Falcon nine Aflac. And
Darrell Etherington 20:59
that's what the insiders call it. I mean, it's definitely cool all around. I think everybody is very happy with the results. Now there's something that you know, I've wrote kind of you wrote most of the actual, substantial coverage. And I wrote like, Oh, I did it. Nothing. But the part that I learned when doing that, I didn't realize that it was like the double asteroid component of it. Like it's one. It's actually a moon and asteroid. Yeah, it's,
Devin Coldewey 21:25
I mean, who knows how a moon is actually defined. There's like five different kinds of moons. But yeah, there's a little asteroid and a big asteroid in there a dual sort of asteroid system. And I guess this is, I don't know what rare means in the cosmos, but we don't see it that off, right. But it's a great opportunity. Because, you know, you really wouldn't be able to budge this big asteroid called DeMoss, it's like half a mile wide, you'd have to hit it with, you know, a mountain to make it go off course. But die amorphous was this little one that's like 500 feet across is just in a Stable orbit around it probably has been for a billion years. And we've observed it before we know exactly how long it takes to go around this thing. And we're just like, look, we can measure the exact amount of force imparted by our spacecrafts, and in what vector or whatever, by observing its new orbit, you know, it makes a lot of sense when you think about it. It's very clever. And it's been a total success as far as they could tell. Like the the impact was good. They saw a bunch of detritus shoot off of it that off of this little
Darrell Etherington 22:23
rock or something amazing, like external because they sent up another satellite just to take photos. Basically, it's small. Yeah,
Devin Coldewey 22:28
and Italian CubeSat called Lysa cube. And that was trailing, like, you know, some cosmic distance behind. It's like, oh, it was right behind it. 16,000 miles, and it captured the impact. And like, I when I wrote about it, I was like, what's gonna happen when a tiny spacecraft hits a big asteroid? Probably like a little puff of dust. But there's actually a ton of junk that shot out and like, huge miles of stuff. ejecta. I love that word. Yeah, great word. And so it's really amazing. And they served it with ice cube. And they actually also observed it with the web and the Hubble. This is the first time both of those space telescopes have imaged the same thing at the same time. And they both got views of it. And they both confirmed that there's a bunch of junk that shot into space ejecta.
Darrell Etherington 23:12
Yeah. So for people who are not as familiar, although I mean, Webb was in the news cycle and headlines quite a bit this year, but I will use the existing space telescope with been up there for years decades.
Devin Coldewey 23:23
Yeah. Since since the 90s.
Darrell Etherington 23:25
Yeah, and then James Webb is the new hot shit telescope that just went up earlier this year.
Devin Coldewey 23:31
Yeah, just just couple months ago, everybody was super excited about it. The Vice President was at the like, first image reveal, it was all very exciting.
Darrell Etherington 23:39
Yeah. Now, they also are using Earth based telescopes, right? They're gonna really pin down they have lots and lots of vectors to view this and make sure that their calculations are correct, right. Yeah.
Devin Coldewey 23:50
So from what I understand it, it's sometime in the next four years that you know, the the asteroids going to come back around or it's going to pass by in a more opportune observation position. And they're going to view it through, you know, just whatever instruments giant, you know, radar telescopes, and what have you kind of things I'm not sure what instruments they'll use, but they should be able to get very precise measurements of the change orbital period.
Darrell Etherington 24:12
So just from real time As of recording this, there's maybe this is a that already happened, but there's some new photos released from James Webb and Hubble of the collision that I'm seeing in one of the nice Twitter threads here. And it's it's very cool. Very cool. Yeah,
Devin Coldewey 24:25
they decided that animation, it's really cool. The first images if you go down a little bit, there's the ice cube ones, you can really see how much like fluff shot off of the Astra. Yeah, it's like really disturbing the sort of vacuum and sanctity of space. Now space is dirty. Thanks to us.
Darrell Etherington 24:41
I know. Yeah, we're really making a mess up there. But it's funny. This is some behind the scenes juicy trivia for regular listeners, but I did a when I did that I embedded a large GIF of the first person like the perspective from the satellite itself using the sequence of images that NASA released right which they released is a Video. And it was a 10 plus megabyte GIF pretty big GIF. Not not huge by like,
Devin Coldewey 25:06
I know you do big gifts. I tried to get him under
Darrell Etherington 25:09
10 gifts. I'm a fan. We all have big Internet now come on. But anyway, you are right. And this is because we later got an email from TechCrunch from WordPress VIP, like the people who manage our instance. TechCrunch is installation with WordPress, and they were like some huge gift is causing a massive slowdown across VIP.
Devin Coldewey 25:32
And it was that so they broke the internet boy, wow. I mean, you must have gotten some good traffic, then that's at least good to hear. Yeah, I'm
Darrell Etherington 25:38
having an impact right here. So once they do have they given any dates or information about their other plans for planetary defense, or is this kind of a let's take our foot in the water thing? Or is it more like, once we do this, and we see that we can do it? We kind of got that in our pocket? And and let's not worry about it anymore. Do you know anything more about that?
Devin Coldewey 26:01
I think that it is they wanted to prove the theory and being able to execute, you know, they're engineers over there. And they're like, look, we can make it work. We don't want this to be a theory, we want it to be a reality, we want to be able to show that we actually shot a space bullet out of incoming rock and nailed it. Right. And so now that they've done that, I think that they're probably going to keep it in their back pocket, because it's very costly to do these missions. And you know, once you demonstrate it, you don't need to demonstrate it again. So yeah, but you know, in the future, like, I think that they will, they probably learned a lot from doing this. And they learned what works and they learned what didn't work. Now the you know, if there is a planet killer coming our way, and they do need to launch a 50 times the size thing. You know, they will have something to compare it to. But I don't think there's any immediate plans to launch Dart two and you know, weighing another astronaut out of its orbit in the next couple of years. Yeah, I mean, it would be awesome.
Darrell Etherington 26:56
It would be awesome. The part of me just wants them to kind of do this all the time. But I bet there's a pretty vocal contingent of the general public that is like, please know that it cost a lot of money.
Devin Coldewey 27:09
You can have the Canadian Space Agency do one.
Darrell Etherington 27:11
Yeah, we know. Their budget is like two saltines and
Unknown Speaker 27:16
whatever they got around the office. So like, we're already halfway through the year. We're saving the next one.
Darrell Etherington 27:24
Exactly. All right. Well, thanks very much, Devin. It's been great talking to you again, as always, and we'll keep our eyes peeled for more stuff. smartjack to dodge that object. If you happen to be up in space, just watch out. You know, I can travel for a long, stay safe. That's it for this week. Thanks for joining us and remember to check out all the stories we talked about in this episode on techcrunch.com. Also, TechCrunch Disrupt is coming up on October 18. Through the 20th live in San Francisco. Use code TC pod all one word to get 15% off past we're also offering free Expo passes if you've been laid off recently, no strings attached. These tickets get you access to the expo floor breakout sessions and plenty of networking opportunities like partner roundtables and parties. For more info check out the link in our bio, and be sure to check out all the other TC podcast found equity chain reaction and the TechCrunch live podcast. See you next week. The TechCrunch podcast is hosted by myself Managing Editor Darrell Etherington were produced by Maggie Stamets with editing by Cal Keller Bryce Durbin is our Illustrator Alyssa stringer leads audience development and Henry pic of IT managers TechCrunch his audio products. Thanks for listening and we'll be back next week.
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